
(15/02)(15:02:20) <GeroldKa> GeroldKassube
(15/02)(15:02:38) <couf> FrancescoUgolini: kanarip is not an ambassador yet
(15/02)(15:02:42) <FrancescoUgolini> ah ok
(15/02)(15:02:44) <FrancescoUgolini> starts
(15/02)(15:03:10) <FrancescoUgolini> write your name like NameSourname (for the newbie) :
(15/02)(15:03:17) <FrancescoUgolini> FrancescoUgolini
(15/02)(15:03:18) <kital> JoergSimon
(15/02)(15:03:26) <couf> BartCouvreur
(15/02)(15:03:48) <medic> AndreasRau
(15/02)(15:04:24) <FrancescoUgolini> GeroldKassube
(15/02)(15:04:31) <medic> :)
(15/02)(15:04:40) <ke4qqq> DavidNalley
(15/02)(15:05:44) <FrancescoUgolini> waiting 2 minutes
(15/02)(15:06:03) <FrancescoUgolini> it 15.05 i think we can attend for athoer 3 mins
(15/02)(15:06:55) <FrancescoUgolini> i know some people arrive during the meeting
(15/02)(15:07:14) <eugene> EugeneTeo
(15/02)(15:08:35) <FrancescoUgolini> ok i think we can start the discussion, a meeting minutes will be avaiable at the end of this one
(15/02)(15:09:13) <FrancescoUgolini> so i think we have to start with some FAmSCo comunication
(15/02)(15:09:46) <FrancescoUgolini> 1) Alex Meier resigns from FAmSCo
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(15/02)(15:10:21) <FrancescoUgolini> i think we can say a big tanks to her for her work
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(15/02)(15:11:36) <FrancescoUgolini> she founded the project and give us all the help she can
(15/02)(15:11:52) <FrancescoUgolini> if someone has questions ?
(15/02)(15:12:00) <McGiwer> PawelSadowski
(15/02)(15:12:31) <rwhetsel> questions about what
(15/02)(15:13:06) <FrancescoUgolini> i use question word but i intend issues, comments
(15/02)(15:13:13) <rwhetsel> k
(15/02)(15:13:37) <FrancescoUgolini> 3
(15/02)(15:13:40) <FrancescoUgolini> 2
(15/02)(15:13:43) <FrancescoUgolini> 1
(15/02)(15:13:50) <FrancescoUgolini> ok, next issue
(15/02)(15:14:22) <FrancescoUgolini> The next week, on monday, the FAmSCo will discuss about mergin ambassador/marketing list
(15/02)(15:14:52) <FrancescoUgolini> as you know thomas ask ambassador and contributor to say their opinion
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(15/02)(15:15:17) <FrancescoUgolini> opinion's
(15/02)(15:15:27) <FrancescoUgolini> damn
(15/02)(15:15:29) <FrancescoUgolini> opinions
(15/02)(15:15:41) <kital> !
(15/02)(15:15:45) <FrancescoUgolini> kital,
(15/02)(15:15:51) <McGiwer> !
(15/02)(15:16:06) <rwhetsel> !
(15/02)(15:16:12) <medic> I am just a newbee
(15/02)(15:16:17) <Tarazona> !
(15/02)(15:16:18) <kital> we need a closed list for discussions
(15/02)(15:16:20) <kital> eof
(15/02)(15:16:34) <Tarazona> +1
(15/02)(15:16:51) <FrancescoUgolini> rwhetsel,
(15/02)(15:16:56) <rwhetsel> -1 marketing should be seperate from Ambassadors
(15/02)(15:17:07) <rwhetsel> -1 on anything closed
(15/02)(15:17:10) <rwhetsel> eof
(15/02)(15:17:17) <FrancescoUgolini> Tarazona
(15/02)(15:17:24) <McGiwer> hmm...
(15/02)(15:17:34) <couf> !
(15/02)(15:17:42) <Tarazona> Ambassadors have different topics, we need our own list to discuss
(15/02)(15:17:58) <rwhetsel> +1
(15/02)(15:18:07) <McGiwer> !
(15/02)(15:18:11) <Tarazona> sharing a list with marketing will only give us less time to discuss
(15/02)(15:18:13) <Tarazona> eof
(15/02)(15:18:23) <FrancescoUgolini> couf
(15/02)(15:19:34) <couf> closing lists should not be done, we should get input on topics by people who aren't Ambassadors
(15/02)(15:19:41) <couf> eof
(15/02)(15:19:42) <kital> !
(15/02)(15:19:51) <FrancescoUgolini> McGiwer, then kital
(15/02)(15:19:56) <McGiwer> ok,t hx
(15/02)(15:20:08) <McGiwer> i'm against the merge as it will implicate a mess
(15/02)(15:20:14) <McGiwer> too many different topics in one place
(15/02)(15:20:21) <McGiwer> and marketing is not exactly what ambassadors are
(15/02)(15:20:22) <rwhetsel> +1 +1 +1
(15/02)(15:20:22) <McGiwer> eof
(15/02)(15:20:31) <FrancescoUgolini> kital,
(15/02)(15:20:41) <kital> maybe i am make typos  i mean not close one list
(15/02)(15:21:04) <kital> let it be as it is ambassador closed for public to post
(15/02)(15:21:30) <kital> maybe some misunderstands
(15/02)(15:21:31) <kital> eof
(15/02)(15:22:02) <couf> !
(15/02)(15:22:41) <kanarip> !
(15/02)(15:22:47) <medic> how big is the list of ambassadors.. is it too big to handle closed stuff due to local mailinglists
(15/02)(15:23:17) <FrancescoUgolini> ok
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(15/02)(15:24:07) <McGiwer> i think we gotta wait a minute :
(15/02)(15:24:08) <McGiwer> :)
(15/02)(15:24:55) <rwhetsel> we have beat this issue up and down I say vote we all look to be in agreement anyway
(15/02)(15:25:14) <kital> +1
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(15/02)(15:28:01) <FrancescoUgolini> sorry my connection went down
(15/02)(15:28:03) <FrancescoUgolini> are you here
(15/02)(15:28:05) <FrancescoUgolini> ?
(15/02)(15:28:10) <Tarazon1> mine too
(15/02)(15:28:18) <kital> here
(15/02)(15:28:18) <FrancescoUgolini> ok
(15/02)(15:28:21) <couf> wb
(15/02)(15:28:29) <rwhetsel> we have beat this issue up and down I say vote we all look to be in agreement anyway
(15/02)(15:28:49) <kital> +1
(15/02)(15:29:02) <FrancescoUgolini> yes
(15/02)(15:29:48) <FrancescoUgolini> the question is born because in the project is in a deep changing
(15/02)(15:30:37) <rwhetsel> !
(15/02)(15:30:37) <FrancescoUgolini> and as fedora ambassador project we propose to open our activity to contributors that for many reason have not signed the CLA or aren't ambassador at all
(15/02)(15:30:41) <FrancescoUgolini> rwhetsel,
(15/02)(15:31:06) <rwhetsel> change in scope does not mean change in function
(15/02)(15:31:10) 13* FrancescoUgolini someone can send me the irc log after the meeting, i've lost the first part
(15/02)(15:31:20) <kital> !
(15/02)(15:31:26) <FrancescoUgolini> kital
(15/02)(15:31:35) <rwhetsel> we are still doing the same job getting the word out grass roots
(15/02)(15:31:51) <rwhetsel> marketing needs to be left to the pro that is what they do
(15/02)(15:31:52) <rwhetsel> eof
(15/02)(15:32:18) <FrancescoUgolini> kital and after him FrancescoUgolini
(15/02)(15:32:23) <kital> then we have no choice rather then accept the decission or will there a vote
(15/02)(15:32:59) <kital> eof
(15/02)(15:33:09) <FrancescoUgolini> kital, we have to count the +1 or -1 in marketing and ambassdor lists
(15/02)(15:33:20) <kital> +1
(15/02)(15:33:40) <FrancescoUgolini> the problem is that we have to make some rules to manage both list
(15/02)(15:33:44) <FrancescoUgolini> lists
(15/02)(15:34:03) <FrancescoUgolini> because it's not possible that same discussion are discussed twice
(15/02)(15:34:26) <FrancescoUgolini> and we have to clarify that marketing have no right to vote on fedora ambassador project decision
(15/02)(15:34:40) <FrancescoUgolini> i think it is unjustice
(15/02)(15:34:55) <rwhetsel> -1 on the merge
(15/02)(15:35:06) <kital> -1 for merge
(15/02)(15:35:27) <FrancescoUgolini> so Marketing as external memeber opinion lists ?
(15/02)(15:35:32) <Tarazon1> -1 for the merge
(15/02)(15:35:51) <FrancescoUgolini> without any power, without any concrete goal
(15/02)(15:36:02) <couf> ?
(15/02)(15:36:21) <couf> wasn't Ambassadors a subproject of Mktg?
(15/02)(15:36:29) <rwhetsel> no
(15/02)(15:37:05) <rwhetsel> Mtgk was here first
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(15/02)(15:37:43) <FrancescoUgolini> marketing is a project open to all contributors who want to discuss about promoting fedora
(15/02)(15:37:56) <kanarip> which is a marketing deliverable
(15/02)(15:38:10) <rwhetsel> no
(15/02)(15:38:36) <rwhetsel> a year ago mrkt was not part of our group
(15/02)(15:38:50) <rwhetsel> this came about in the last 6 months or so
(15/02)(15:39:21) <FrancescoUgolini> but at the end in fedora marketing list discuss the same people that discuss in fedora ambassador list
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(15/02)(15:39:36) <FrancescoUgolini> and it can confuse people
(15/02)(15:39:51) <kital> !
(15/02)(15:39:54) <FrancescoUgolini> kital,
(15/02)(15:40:24) <kital> on FAD you agreed to not merge the lists and you want tell famsco
(15/02)(15:40:27) <kital> eof
(15/02)(15:40:56) <rwhetsel> !
(15/02)(15:40:57) <FrancescoUgolini> we have discussed about it, i remember only to open ambassador lists
(15/02)(15:41:20) <FrancescoUgolini> but certainly i fogive it
(15/02)(15:41:25) <FrancescoUgolini> rwhetsel,
(15/02)(15:41:27) <rwhetsel> yes differnt functions same end goal
(15/02)(15:42:04) <rwhetsel> not to confuse people but I have never been a member of mrkt
(15/02)(15:42:17) <rwhetsel> and not attend their meetings
(15/02)(15:42:34) <rwhetsel> this has back and forth over the last 6 months
(15/02)(15:42:43) <rwhetsel> I say vote and be done with it
(15/02)(15:42:49) <rwhetsel> eof
(15/02)(15:42:55) <FrancescoUgolini> there aren't meeting currently
(15/02)(15:44:18) <FrancescoUgolini> one problem is that for some decision external contributors don't have the vote
(15/02)(15:44:59) <rwhetsel> then they can join the ambassadors group and have a say
(15/02)(15:45:43) <FrancescoUgolini> many people don't join ambassador because they don't agree with CLA conditions
(15/02)(15:46:00) <rwhetsel> then they don't vote
(15/02)(15:46:17) <rwhetsel> or get ride of the cla
(15/02)(15:46:21) <FrancescoUgolini> Kital : Ambassadors Mailing List closed to non-ambassadors but archives opened
(15/02)(15:46:58) <rwhetsel> I call a vote on this issue to join the two groups anyone second
(15/02)(15:47:01) <FrancescoUgolini> i find it in the fad resume, i don't remeber sincerely about what i've said
(15/02)(15:47:23) <FrancescoUgolini> rwhetsel, +1
(15/02)(15:47:40) <rwhetsel> -1 on the join
(15/02)(15:47:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +1 for the reasons above
(15/02)(15:47:59) 13* couf is getting confused
(15/02)(15:48:31) <FrancescoUgolini> ping all partecipants
(15/02)(15:48:42) <rwhetsel> ping back
(15/02)(15:48:46) <kital> pong
(15/02)(15:48:47) <medic> pong
(15/02)(15:48:49) <kanarip> pong
(15/02)(15:49:00) <Tarazon1> pong
(15/02)(15:49:02) <FrancescoUgolini> ok, say your vote
(15/02)(15:49:10) <rwhetsel> -1
(15/02)(15:49:10) <couf> pong
(15/02)(15:49:10) <kanarip> +1 on the join
(15/02)(15:49:14) <couf> +1 on join
(15/02)(15:49:18) <McGiwer> pong
(15/02)(15:49:39) <FrancescoUgolini> +1
(15/02)(15:49:45) <FrancescoUgolini> the other ?
(15/02)(15:49:47) <medic> ? +/-1 newbee
(15/02)(15:49:48) <Tarazon1> +1
(15/02)(15:50:00) <McGiwer> + the join
(15/02)(15:50:04) <GeroldKa> +1
(15/02)(15:50:26) <medic> vote next time....  if it is oky
(15/02)(15:50:31) <kital> -1 not join
(15/02)(15:50:31) <McGiwer> hmm, sorry guys, i have to leave
(15/02)(15:50:37) <GeroldKa> bye McGiwer
(15/02)(15:50:38) <McGiwer> bye
(15/02)(15:50:53) <FrancescoUgolini> bye
(15/02)(15:51:12) <medic> bye
(15/02)(15:51:19) <Tarazon1> bye
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(15/02)(15:51:37) <FrancescoUgolini> medic,  +1 you say yes, and -1 you say no
(15/02)(15:51:53) <medic> thanks.. that's not the point...
(15/02)(15:52:09) <rwhetsel> medic 0 is not either way
(15/02)(15:52:13) <medic> I don't feel well... less information about the past..
(15/02)(15:52:17) <medic> 0
(15/02)(15:52:19) <medic> :)
(15/02)(15:52:29) <FrancescoUgolini> i i forget it sorry
(15/02)(15:52:40) <medic> no problem...
(15/02)(15:52:41) <kital> !
(15/02)(15:53:19) <FrancescoUgolini> kital,
(15/02)(15:53:40) <kital> can you clearify your question ask a yes or no question so that nobody misunderstand
(15/02)(15:53:42) <kital> eof
(15/02)(15:53:50) <FrancescoUgolini> ah ok
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(15/02)(15:54:13) <FrancescoUgolini> the question is: Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ?
(15/02)(15:54:16) <FrancescoUgolini> wb mspevack
(15/02)(15:54:26) <FrancescoUgolini> and vice versa
(15/02)(15:54:27) <kital> -1 no
(15/02)(15:54:27) <couf> +1
(15/02)(15:54:29) <kanarip> +1
(15/02)(15:54:46) <Tarazon1> -1
(15/02)(15:55:12) <GeroldKa> -1
(15/02)(15:55:17) <GeroldKa> no merge!
(15/02)(15:55:29) <FrancescoUgolini> +1
(15/02)(15:55:38) <rwhetsel> -1
(15/02)(15:56:20) <rwhetsel> we are not enought to make a vote count here we need atleat 2/3 votes from out group
(15/02)(15:56:25) <rwhetsel> enough
(15/02)(15:56:28) <kital> yes
(15/02)(15:56:59) <FrancescoUgolini> ah, ok
(15/02)(15:57:42) <rwhetsel> email the list and close this issue once and for all
(15/02)(15:57:51) <kital> +1
(15/02)(15:58:06) <FrancescoUgolini> we have to say the community opinion to FAmSCo before monday i think we can start a public vote in both list and then we see what both thinks, or just recount people has say their opinion
(15/02)(15:58:21) <FrancescoUgolini> *think
(15/02)(15:58:30) <medic> good idea +1
(15/02)(15:58:41) <FrancescoUgolini> the first one or the second one ?
(15/02)(15:58:57) <medic> see what both thinks
(15/02)(15:59:08) <kital> !
(15/02)(15:59:11) <FrancescoUgolini> kital,
(15/02)(15:59:26) <kital> again on the list ask a yes or no question so that nobody misunderstand and no more discussions
(15/02)(15:59:28) <kital> eof
(15/02)(15:59:51) <FrancescoUgolini> is ok ?
(15/02)(15:59:54) <FrancescoUgolini> +1
(15/02)(15:59:55) <medic> +1
(15/02)(15:59:58) <couf> +1
(15/02)(16:00:30) <FrancescoUgolini> 3
(15/02)(16:00:39) <FrancescoUgolini> 2
(15/02)(16:00:51) <FrancescoUgolini> 1
(15/02)(16:00:55) <FrancescoUgolini> approved
(15/02)(16:01:24) <FrancescoUgolini> so i'll write a message to both list with this question:  Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List ?
(15/02)(16:01:27) <kanarip> don't you need 2/3 of the group to approve?
(15/02)(16:01:47) <rwhetsel> not for asking a list to change a policy
(15/02)(16:01:57) <rwhetsel> just on the policy change
(15/02)(16:02:33) <FrancescoUgolini> i think 50% +1 is enough
(15/02)(16:02:36) <FrancescoUgolini> or not ?
(15/02)(16:02:40) <Tarazon1> so 2/3 has to answer the question on the list to approve the change of policy?
(15/02)(16:03:35) <rwhetsel> did the 2/3 change to 51%
(15/02)(16:03:36) <FrancescoUgolini> Tarazon1, is impossible that this number will reply to the question
(15/02)(16:04:13) <Tarazon1> so let's work with the 50% + 1
(15/02)(16:04:34) <rwhetsel> got to go to a meeting bye
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(15/02)(16:06:31) <FrancescoUgolini> so
(15/02)(16:06:39) <FrancescoUgolini> is ok 51% ?
(15/02)(16:06:51) <couf> +1 51%
(15/02)(16:07:04) <kital> +1
(15/02)(16:07:14) <GeroldKa> +1 51% of ANSWERS
(15/02)(16:07:51) <Tarazon1> +1  51%
(15/02)(16:08:08) <medic> +1
(15/02)(16:08:09) <FrancescoUgolini> +1
(15/02)(16:08:19) <FrancescoUgolini> 3
(15/02)(16:08:24) <FrancescoUgolini> 2
(15/02)(16:08:29) <FrancescoUgolini> 1
(15/02)(16:08:31) <FrancescoUgolini> approved
(15/02)(16:09:03) <FrancescoUgolini> the complete email is:
(15/02)(16:09:04) <FrancescoUgolini> This is an official poll, please reply only with your vote (+1 yes, -1 no and 0 prefer not to say).
(15/02)(16:09:04) <FrancescoUgolini> The poll is:  Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List?
(15/02)(16:09:21) <FrancescoUgolini> witout any sign or gpg
(15/02)(16:09:27) <FrancescoUgolini> headers
(15/02)(16:09:45) <FrancescoUgolini> i'll send it immediatly if nobody is contrary
(15/02)(16:09:54) <FrancescoUgolini> ops
(15/02)(16:10:08) <FrancescoUgolini> Do you agree to merge Marketing List with Ambassador List and vice versa?
(15/02)(16:10:16) <FrancescoUgolini> no
(15/02)(16:10:48) <FrancescoUgolini> i think it's important vice versa, because it's not the closing of a list, it's only the merging of two list
(15/02)(16:10:53) <FrancescoUgolini> ok ?
(15/02)(16:11:00) <kital> !
(15/02)(16:11:05) <FrancescoUgolini> kital,
(15/02)(16:12:02) <kital> then there is no more closed list for us ?
(15/02)(16:12:05) <kital> eof
(15/02)(16:12:30) <FrancescoUgolini> if we merge all is open
(15/02)(16:12:38) <FrancescoUgolini> if is not we can propose to open it
(15/02)(16:12:58) <kital> ok then write it  "if we merge all is open"
(15/02)(16:13:39) <FrancescoUgolini> The poll is:  Do you agree to merge Fedora Marketing List with Fedora Ambassador List and make the new List open?
(15/02)(16:13:50) <kital> +1
(15/02)(16:14:05) <kital> for the question
(15/02)(16:14:14) <FrancescoUgolini> i think we have to divide the question
(15/02)(16:14:21) <kital> not for the merge :-P
(15/02)(16:14:30) <FrancescoUgolini> in fact
(15/02)(16:14:40) <FrancescoUgolini> i think if people vote against the mergin
(15/02)(16:14:43) <kital> make as you think we should go on
(15/02)(16:14:44) <FrancescoUgolini> but want open list
(15/02)(16:14:48) <FrancescoUgolini> ok
(15/02)(16:14:49) <FrancescoUgolini> yes
(15/02)(16:15:14) <FrancescoUgolini> if nobody has to say other things, we can discuss about events
(15/02)(16:15:16) <FrancescoUgolini> 3
(15/02)(16:16:34) <FrancescoUgolini> 2
(15/02)(16:16:35) <couf> +1 end this subject
(15/02)(16:16:37) <FrancescoUgolini> 1
(15/02)(16:16:39) <FrancescoUgolini> ok
(15/02)(16:16:44) <FrancescoUgolini> next
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(15/02)(16:16:55) <FrancescoUgolini> someone has to discuss about an event
(15/02)(16:17:00) <FrancescoUgolini> eg. FOSDEM ?
(15/02)(16:18:00) <kital> have lot of fun :-P
(15/02)(16:18:17) <GeroldKa> beerevent :-)
(15/02)(16:18:39) <FrancescoUgolini> in fact
(15/02)(16:18:50) <FrancescoUgolini> someone has news about the beerevent ?
(15/02)(16:19:00) <GeroldKa> indeed ....
(15/02)(16:19:00) <couf> hehe lol
(15/02)(16:19:05) <GeroldKa> max will pay the bill :-)
(15/02)(16:19:22) <GeroldKa> I received his E-Mail ....
(15/02)(16:19:32) <GeroldKa> I have it black on white (if printed)
(15/02)(16:19:38) <GeroldKa> eof
(15/02)(16:19:41) <kital> no he will pay the lunch on saturday
(15/02)(16:22:22) <medic> spoofed mails... :)
(15/02)(16:22:23) <medic> eof
(15/02)(16:23:17) <FrancescoUgolini> GeroldKa, do you know the place where we meet for friday beer event '
(15/02)(16:23:20) <FrancescoUgolini> ?
(15/02)(16:23:27) <kital> grandplace
(15/02)(16:23:36) <GeroldKa> no; but it's written on the FOSDEM-HP
(15/02)(16:23:51) <FrancescoUgolini> ok
(15/02)(16:23:53) <couf> it's close by the grandplace
(15/02)(16:23:59) <kital> http://www.fosdem.org/2007/beerevent
(15/02)(16:25:06) <FrancescoUgolini> thanks
(15/02)(16:26:08) <FrancescoUgolini> have you to discuss about something ?
(15/02)(16:26:15) <FrancescoUgolini> Swag ?
(15/02)(16:26:21) <FrancescoUgolini> is all arrived ?
(15/02)(16:28:42) <FrancescoUgolini> if all discussion are discussed, i think we can adjurn the meeting
(15/02)(16:28:44) <FrancescoUgolini> 3
(15/02)(16:28:59) <FrancescoUgolini> 2
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(15/02)(16:29:23) <FrancescoUgolini> 1
(15/02)(16:29:35) <FrancescoUgolini> == Meeting adjourned ==
